Friday, 30 January 2009

Mormons Go Into all The World and Change Perceptions

In a commencement address at BYU-Ricks, April 2008, Mormon apostle M Russell Ballard spoke to 1,400 graduates about the evils of the Internet. While appreciating its positive benefits, he described it as the medium for "one of Satan's most seductive efforts", i.e. the spread of pornography. Of course, I appreciate his voice raised in warning and deplore as much the spread of pornography via the Internet. I do object, however, to the way he characterises honest critics of the Mormon Church as representing an evil equal to pornographers.

"Along with the terrible effects of pornography, the Internet and other media are often used to spread falsehoods, Elder Ballard said. 'Every month there are 60 billion searches for information on the Internet. Many are seeking information about the Church; and while some are finding the truth, others find anti-Mormon sites that mislead them and defame the Church,' Elder Ballard said."

This from a church that insists it never criticises but always looks for good in others. A church that would scream "persecution!" if challenged in the most reasonable fashion by thoughtful critics. Working to its usual double-standard the Mormon Church insists on being held in the highest regard while describing critics as spiritual pornographers.

In an attempt to stem the flow of what we would call fair criticism and he describes as "falsehoods and misconceptions" Ballard seeks to enlist the help of his young listeners:

"With all the falsehoods and misconceptions about the Church found online, Elder Ballard urged the graduates to use their knowledge and testimony of the gospel to influence seekers of truth. 'Today I want to encourage you to reach out to others in the world to help change the perception and even the hearts of millions of our Heavenly Father's children by correcting misunderstandings by sharing with them the message of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ,' he said."

Blogs and forums have sprung up in response to the challenge but, frankly, the standard of this new initiative is as poor as ever, with a good deal of maudlin sentiment ("oh, Joseph, Joseph the prophet"), cant, ("how dare they say we are not Christians?"), deception ("polygamy? A mere social aberration") and conceit ("I know the church is true...").

Jesus charged his disciples to "Go into all the world and preach the gospel" (Mk.16:15). Mormons are charged to, "Go into all the world and change people's perception of the Mormon Church." This single fact should sound alarm bells in people's minds. Still, there are those who are disposed to choose image over substance and believe the humbug that passes for explanation and apologetic in Mormonism. It is as well then that critics do exist to challenge those things Mormons say in defence of their faith, for the sake of Mormons as much as anyone because Christ died for Mormons too.

Margaret Thatcher was once heard to observe, "If you have to tell people you are a lady you are not." My message to those youngsters on the occasion of their entering into the big world is you know when you are grown up when you stop insisting loudly that you be treated like a grown up. In the same way, if you have to continually insist on being respected as a Christian, regarded as a legitimate part of the Christian scene, people are bound to question your assertions and you had better have sharper answers than "We are misrepresented" and, "I know Joseph was a prophet". If you want to be treated as a man then stand like a man and give a man's answer.

Read about Mormon Apologetics and Mormonism's appeal to Irrational Means on the Reachout Web Site

Thursday, 22 January 2009


Rick Warren being chosen to pray at the President's inauguration upset some members of the party but he is causing more controversy – this time with some Christians.

Daniel Cordell of Love for Truth takes issue with praying in the name of 'Isa'

What do you think?

Sunday, 18 January 2009

No wonder non-Christian groups are making ground!

Two recent polls underlines the need for apologetic ministries such as Reachout Trust and why other groups often have a better press. The reason is simple – they know what they believe and preach it!

Christians in America

According to a new Barna Group Poll, 40% of those in America who call themselves Christians, do not believe that have any responsibility to share their Christian faith with others, and a worrying 25% dismiss the Bible as inaccurate in some of the principles it teaches. This of course leads to choosing the bits you like and misrepresenting the Lord.

As George Barna, the head of the polling group, noted; millions of people who describe themselves as Christian, believe Jesus sinned and those who say they will experience eternal salvation because they have confessed their sins and accepted Christ as their savior, also believe that a person can do enough good works to earn eternal salvation.

Is Britain any better?

Last month, Ted Baehr, who founded The Christian Film & Television Commission ministry in 1985, and who is also a a professional scholar and theologian. said that a new survey recently showed that 70 percent of people in Great Britain doubted the biblical account of the birth of Jesus Christ.

In good apologetic style , he commented that they were“gravely mistaken,” because:

“Top scholars, historians and experts have confirmed that the Bible is the most historically and intellectually reliable ancient text in the whole world, including the Bible’s account of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles and disciples who wrote the New Testament documents,”

It is time we stopped messing about as Christians and KNOW what we believe, WHY we believe it, and HOW to tells others. Only then will the true Gospel of Jesus Christ be preached and even if we do not get a better press at least we will be condemned for the truth!

Friday, 16 January 2009

Graphictruth: Mormons may have violated Election law and IRS Standards.

Many may know that a battle raged in California last year over what is known as Proposition 8, an amendment to local legislation designed to confine marriage to relationships between men and women. I commented on it a little while ago in earlier post.

The Mormons threw themselves into the "Yes" campaign along with Catholics, Evangelicals and others. However, the Mormons drew most of the rage felt by the gay community and liberals in general putting them near the top of many news reports for the wrong reasons.

Anyway, the "Yes" vote won and traditional marriage values have prevailed, much to the chagrin of those who wished to call by the name of marriage anything that suited them. Inevitably, someone must be to blame and the Mormons seem to be getting all the attention again but this time their methods and integrity are being seriously challenged and, it would seem, there is some substance to the charge that they have broken the law.

The article I have linked to is a good commentary on the affair. It will prove a controversial site for many Christians I suppose but I hope it at least makes people think about why they might disagree with some of the views expressed so as to be able to better put their own case. The video evidence is very interesting and I especially liked the penultimate paragraph that should make us all stop and think about how we go about making our point and conducting ourselves as a church. Do we impress people with our faith or impose it on them?

"Shake the dust from your feet. Faith is about upholding and living up to standards to the best of YOUR ability - not imposing standards upon others and punishing people in the civil world for not setting examples you approve of. That's indistinguishable from pure bigotry, and you can find that sort of "faith" in any corner bar."

Graphictruth: Mormons may have violated Election law and IRS Standards.

Saturday, 10 January 2009

Should you believe in the Trinity - 7

Most Christians who talk to Jehovah’s Witnesses will eventually come across the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society’s [WBTS] booklet “Should You Believe In The Trinity” [abbreviated to “Trinity” from now on.]

As with most WBTS publications, the booklet gives the impression of being a well-produced, scholarly work. It is only as you check it out carefully that the errors begin to come to light. It may not be easy to get a Witness to investigate this publication but we want to give the opportunity to lovingly show some of the faults in it and hope you will be able to do the same with the next one that calls at the door. It is not wise to try to tackle all the arguments at once, concentrate on one at a time.

I have tried to see personally every book that the WBTS refer to. This was not easy at first because the WBTS left out references to page numbers, where and when published etc. Initially, thanks to the British Library I have managed to see most of them. Since completing my research, the WBTS have issued their list of all the original publications.

When you show that a particular quote is not the full one the reply that many Jehovah’s Witnesses have been given is, “Well the writer does say these words and therefore we are not misquoting them.” The answer I give to this is to quote John 3:16 & 17 from the New World Translation, as follows:

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone... might... be destroyed.

Is that correct Mr Witness? No? Nevertheless, it is what is written in your Bible. I hope that through this the Witness will begin to see how dishonest it is, by judicial editing, to make any author say the opposite to what he or she actually said.

The “Trinity” booklet weaves a number of themes together but we have tried to break it down to a few main subjects each of which we will look at under the following headings.

A. MAIN WATCHTOWER ARGUMENTS - A summary of their main arguments.

B. PUBLICATIONS QUOTED - A look at the quotations they use, replacing, in bold italic print, anything of interest they have left out.

C. COMMENTS ON THE WATCHTOWER ARGUMENT - Highlighting anything that is wrong or suspect with their argument.

D. ADDED MATERIAL - A concise look at any extra material that will present another point of view.



As our heading suggests, here the WBTS seek to show that the Scriptures used to prove that there are three in one, that I and the Father are one, that Jesus is equal to God, that Jesus is the I Am, and that the Word was God, all mean something other than they appear to say.


Page 23. - The New Catholic Encyclopaedia

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament. In the New Testament the oldest evidence is in the Pauline epistles, especially 2 Cor.13:13 (verse 14 in some bibles), and 1 Cor.12:4-6. In the Gospels evidence of the Trinity is found explicitly only in the baptismal formula of Mt 28:19.


The WBTS quote the truth here and then spend the next few pages seeking to show it is not true.

Page 23. - Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature, Vol.X, p.552

The first class of texts taken by itself proves only that there are the three subjects named and that there is a difference between them; that the Father in certain respects differs from the Son, etc; but it does not prove, by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature, and possess equal divine honor. In proof of this, the second class of texts must be addressed [the list of this second group is twice as long as the first group]... These texts prove (a) that the Son and the Holy Spirit, according to the doctrine of the New Testament, are divine, or belong to the one divine nature; and (b) that the three subjects are personal and equal.

Page 25. - The Epistle of Paul to the Philippians, Ralph Martin, p.97
It is questionable, however, whether the sense of the verb [in Philippians 2:6] can glide from its real meaning of ‘seize, ’to snatch violently’ to that of ‘to hold fast’.


This quote taken from p.97 is exploring a number of possibilities about the verb. The honest thing for the WBTS to do would be to quote from the conclusion.

In His pre-existent state Christ already had as His possession the unique dignity of His place within the Godhead. It was a vantage-point from which he might have exploited His position and, by assertion of His right, have seized the glory and the honour of the acknowledgement of His office. - p.98.

Page 25. - The Expositor’s Greek Testament, p.437

We cannot find any passage where (harpa’zo) or any of its derivatives has the sense of ‘holding in possession’ ‘retaining’. It seems invariable to mean ‘seize’, ‘snatch violently’. Thus it is not permissible to glide from the true sense ‘grasp at’ into one which is totally different ‘hold fast’. Are we not obliged, then, to think of the tharpazol as something still future Observe how aptly this view fits the context. In ver.1O, which is the climax of the whole passage, we read that God gave Jesus Christ as a gift... the name above every name, i.e., the name (including position, dignity and authority) of [kyrios], Lord, the name which represents the O.T. Jehovah. But it is only as the result of His Incarnation, Atonement, Resurrection and Exaltation that He appears to men as an equality with God, that He is worshipped by them in the way which Jehovah is worshipped.

Page 26. - The New Testament, G.R. Noyes, 1869

John 8:58 From before Abraham was, I have been (footnote) I have been. Otherwise, I have been He. Otherwise, I am.


Even though Noyes was a Unitarian it is interesting to also note that he translates John 1:1, “... was God.”

Page 28. - Dictionary of the Bible, John L. McKenzie, pp.317/8

In Jesus the personal reality of God is manifested in visible and tangible form. In the words of Jesus... the God of Israel (Gk. ho theos) is the Father of Jesus Christ. It is for this reason that the title ho theos, which now designates the Father as a personal reality, is not applied in the N.T. to Jesus Himself... This is a matter of usage and not of rule, and the noun is applied to Jesus a few times. Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated ‘the word was with the God = the Father, and 'the word was a divine being.’ Thomas invokes Jesus with the titles which belong to the Father, ‘My Lord and my God’ (Jn 20:28). ‘The glory of our great God and Saviour’ which is to appear can be the glory of no other than Jesus (Tt 2:13). And the identity of Jesus and the Father is expressed clearly without the title in Jn 10:30, ‘I and the Father are one.’... It should be understood that the usage of ho theos touches the personal distinction of the father and the Son and not the divinity i.e., the divine sonship of Jesus Christ. - pp.317/8.

Page 28. - Bulletin of John Rylands Library, Vol.50, Spring 1968, No.2, pp.241-261

But let me give you another view. Karl Rahner, the eminent Roman Catholic theologian, considers that there are reliable applications of ‘theos’ to Christ in six texts (Romans ix.5F; John i.1, 18, xx.28; 1 John v.20; and Titus ii.13). Rahner however, immediately goes on to say that in none of these instances is ‘theos’ used in such a manner as to identify Jesus with him who elsewhere in the New Testament figures as ‘Ho Theos’ that is, the Supreme God.


Once again, a careful look at the evidence shows the case is far from proven. We answer some of the main Scriptures in the ADDED MATERIAL section.


JOHN 5:18.

When He wanted to Jesus could speak in parables so no one could understand what He was really saying unless He explained it. Here though He was speaking plainly using words that He knew would be understood in a certain way by the Jews that were listening.
Notice firstly verse 16; here the Jews were persecuting Jesus because He was breaking the Sabbath laws. Then in verse 17, He calls God His Father. This is immediately followed in verse 18 by the Jews seeking to kill Jesus because now He was not only breaking the Sabbath but He was making Himself equal to God.

He knew that when He called God His Father, the Jews would not hear, “I am the first created being of my Father,” but “I am of the same substance as My Father, as He is God, so am I.” It was not as the Jehovah’s Witness would like to say that the unbelieving Jews simply thought Jesus claimed to be equal with God it was exactly what Jesus wanted them to hear. If Jesus said it, it must be true!

Other verses that give this same teaching and can be used here are Colossians 2:9 and Hebrews 1:1-3.

JOHN 10:30.

Here again the context shows what the Jews heard Jesus say. It was not a misunderstanding Jesus was claiming to be God. Added to this you can always go to John 20:28 where Thomas calls Jesus God. As Jesus did not rebuke Thomas in front of all the disciples - it was a true statement!


This verse is explained by the book that the WBTS have already quoted, “The Expositor’s Greek Testament” see above. Jesus already had equality with God but He did not grasp at it to hold onto it but let go and came to earth to die for us. Having humbled Himself, God the Father then exalted God the Son. The Scripture indicates that it was not just back to the former position but now highly exalted and with a name that is above every other name and it’s that name that is on the lips of everyone wherever they are located.

JOHN 8:58.

For a detailed and scholarly look at this verse and John 1:1 following we would recommend Robert Bowman’s, “Jehovah’s Witnesses, Jesus Christ, and the Gospel of John.” However, we would just like to add here one or two comments.

Firstly in every passage in John’s Gospel, except this one, the Greek ego eimi is translated I Am. There is no way that treating the text in an honest fashion can you suddenly put this in the past tense. If you do this, then you would have to say, I have been the door and I have been the good shepherd etc. A look at the context again shows that the Jews were mad at Jesus because He was saying things that would make Him greater than Abraham or the prophets. They all died the Jews said but Jesus answered that by saying before Abraham was I am eternal. He was not saying I am greater than Abraham because I am a created spirit creature but because I am part of the eternal Godhead. If you look again at the Jews’ reaction in verse 59, you see again they knew exactly what Jesus was saying because they sought to stone Him, for claiming again that He was equal with God.

JOHN 1:1.

The fact that Jesus is called “theos” [God] without the definite article does not alter the fact that He was called “theos.” This means that He was either true God, false God or simply a man with the power of life or death [Judge in the OT]. He was not the latter and therefore he was either a true God or a false God. Which one Mr Witness? If false, we might as well all forget any hope of Salvation or if true then there are two true Gods. It should also be noticed that at times the Greek text reads “theos” without any definite article when referring to Jehovah God. We would not dream of saying at this point that Jehovah was “a god” and so why when there is all the evidence to the contrary do we say that Jesus is “a god”?



From the evidence presented in this booklet, it is obvious that the Trinity is dishonouring to God and should therefore be rejected.


Page 30. - New Catholic Encyclopaedia

Those honoring me I shall honor” says God. (1 Samuel 2:30) Does it honor God to call anyone his equal? Does it honor him to call Mary “the mother of God” and the “Mediatrix”... between the Creator and His creatures.


It would be wrong to exalt a man or a woman to the position of God but it is not wrong to call Jesus God when so much of Scripture shows this to be the fact.


We would say that a careful checking of both the Biblical and scholarly evidence clearly shows that the Trinity is of God and should be accepted in our hearts by God’s revelation.


Nothing I believe needs to be added except to say that there are further books, tapes and videos available on this subject and many others from the address on the back cover and also online at

Sunday, 4 January 2009

Mormon of the Year: Blog's nominations spark a lively debate - Salt Lake Tribune

The Salt Lake Tribune has launched a "Mormon of the Year" contest in which, uniquely, readers are asked to nominate their favourites. For obvious reasons they exclude prophets and apostles but otherwise the field is wide open.

Interestingly enough, there is also a contest proposed for "Gentile of the Year ":

The Mormon blog has proposed naming the Gentile of the Year, or the non-Mormon who had the greatest impact (good or bad) on Mormonism in 2008.

Candidates nominated by Ronan James Head, a British Mormon, include:

» Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, whose anti-Romney remarks irked many Mormons

» Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer, who got the Mormons involved in Proposition 8

» The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, whose raid on the YFZ ranch in Texas kept Mormon polygamy in the spotlight.

"As with Mormon of the Year, I'm fair depressed that non-American names do not readily spring to mind," Head writes on the blog. "I'll nominate one anyway: Massimo Introvigne, director of the Center for Studies on New Religions, whose opposition to 'anti-cult terrorism' continues to offer meaningful support to minority religions in Europe."

My own money for "Mormon of the Year" would have to be on Warren Jeffs, the polygamist prophet currently serving a long sentence for offences against a minor. He, surely, has followed most closely the lifestyle and mirrored most accurately the teachings of Mormonism's founding prophet Joseph Smith.

There are so many worthy candidates for "Gentile of the Year" but my own favourite would have to be Bill McKeever of for his dedication in moving to Utah to run these guys to ground.

Mormon of the Year: Blog's nominations spark a lively debate - Salt Lake Tribune


If your going to get it wrong get it really wrong otherwise its not really worth the effort :)

Since this was posted it has been pointed out that the Mormon of the Year was not initiated or sponsored but just reported by the Salt Lake Tribune. It is, rather, the work of Times and Seasons as has been helpfully pointed out by Kent Larson (see comments). They have subsequently decided, unsurprisingly, on Mitt Romney as "the Mormon who had the greatest impact or influence on Mormons and Mormonism in 2008."

I still think an opportunity was missed to get back to Mormon roots. Warren Jeffs would have been an ideal candidate, modelling as he does the life, spirit and teachings of Mormonism's founding prophet. Countless wives, aspirations to godhood, time on the run from the law and an ignominious end, its all there.

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