It was a nice day, I was feeling relaxed, do I REALLY want to start a conversation? Inevitably I walked over and started a conversation. I asked them what they believe about the days of creation now. They used to believe that each day was 7000 years old. One JW had previously and recently told me they don't believe that but I pointed out they used to..... he was embarrassed.
These ones basically fluffed it and did the 'vague' on me, 'its a long time ' they said. I wasn't trying to trick them I was just trying to find out the current position. I explained I knew what the organisation had previously said. They acted as if there hadn't been a change of belief, they admitted nothing and tbh I could see in their eyes that they were obviously being a bit secretive about it all. A bit frustrated and disappointed I then properly introduced myself still not wanting to get into a debate, I was in a relaxed mood. I said I'm an evangelical Christian a born again person so obviously we differ on things but its been nice to talk. The youngest woman leapt in, 'so you believe the Trinity, we all used to be in other Churches we have now found the truth'. I couldn't let that one pass now could I!!
During the course of our 45 minute convo, they introduced a number of distractions.... joining the army, Christmas, the contradictory beliefs of Christians and others stuff. Any time I put the slightest bit of pressure on them they introduced one of these.
The opener on the Trinity was a gift. She said' how can you believe that three can be one person. We couldn't believe that so we now believe the Bible'. My reply was obvious and simple, 'you obviously never ever understood the biblical teaching on the subject or what Christians have believed since that time'.I pointed out that their claim of previously being Christians like me had no credibility. They obviously were nominal one a 'welsh chapel' background the other a Catholic.
I tried really hard to draw a distinction as I always do between the organisation and them. They vociferously said their faith is in Jehovah God and I'm sure I heard them say 'not the organisation'!! I asked them
1. Do you believe you will see the Kingdom (they said yes we will see its effects)
2. Are you born again as part of the 144,000 (they said no)
3. Show me John 3v3 'unless a person is born again they cannot see the Kingdom of God'. The organisation is contradicting Jesus....PLEASE I said believe Jesus.
My next approach was to point out that I can do something they cant do ...I can say to Jesus' my Lord and my God'......they cant, because the organisation wont let them. They had no reply unusually, apart from to say that he was not saying what was right!!!! Throughout the convo I was mentioning '4jehovah' look it up. They became more and more opposed to looking up anything after our time together. (4jehovah is a very usefull website). The conversation went on for 45 minutes. Eventually they tired as I challenged them to check things out, to re examine the claims of the WT. I began to list the failed prophesies, talked of the defection of Ray Franz. They jumped in to say that only a few JWs went beyond organisational teaching about 1975. I told them about the woman who promised me I would have my eyes pecked out in Armageddon before October also about the many others at that time (I was 18 that year). I looked the older ones in the eye and said 'you KNOW what happened', they averted their gaze.
We talked for a while about humanitarian and 'good works', they seemed to think that the JWs were the first to any crisis in the world ( I had to stifle my incredulous laughter at that point!) In Zambia where I go I said it has the highest number of JWs in the world, the country is packed full of orphanages, schools, clinics, children's villages built and supported by mainstream Christians and NONE by the Watchtower, after I made the point, they were silent.
What became apparent is that their faith was utterly in the organisation who the older one said 'had never got anything wrong'. If our message was wrong they said ...what is yours? (how often do you get a chance like that?). I explained and then said your hope is that you MAY survive Armageddon into Gods new world, mine is to know now I have eternal life with the sure and certain hope of resurrection. I don't think there is any comparison, one of them just shook her head, no reply ensued.
I reminded them of '4jehovah', they indicated they would not look it up. So I went to my appointment once again saddened by the grip that this pernicious organisation has on the minds of its adherents. Pray for them, I did present the gospel and drew the contrast between my faith in Jesus and theirs in the organisation (they did try and say my faith must be through an organisation). I can only hope my words are a link in a long chain or path to freedom. Did I waste my time? No, did I accomplish anything..only God knows at this time. I suppose I can put it on my report slip and hand it in to the service Overseer!!